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Indigenous Solomon Islanders vs Chinaman

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  • Frank Roboolitee
    Is these how this country Solomon Islands operates, to be Frank the Public Services,of all the Ministries, for instance, some ministries put only a day for consultation, worst dan eva, when yu in dat Ministry to see dat officer, he was not available, surely he out fo lunch, or may to attend a meeting, den da reception or da Security officer will say to yu, sir/madam, just wait, but definitely no wan sees yu any more and bae samfala lo oketa bae say lo yu, kam lo next wednesday nao ya friend!..my gudness!!, bata sapos china man, public officer attendem hem finis, den yu original Islander stand dry noma nao ba oketa! So da Question nao is wat nao difference between Indigenious man and China Man?? Any answer!!!
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    • Derek Saru and 10 others like this.
    • Simeon Ri'iagalo Turu 1 bro...cn't deny na..
      November 11 at 3:54am via mobile · Like
    • Geoff Asipara Rahari @ FR. Is the issue you have raised only specific to a "china man" as you have put it or does this apply to other nationals other than a Solomon Islander?
      November 11 at 4:15am via mobile · Like
    • Tesua Muakitangata Nafu na lo anti-China attitude. Frank Roboolitee, the best people to ask your question will be the Solomon Islanders you accuse of giving Chinese preferential treatment, then return and share with us what they say.
      November 11 at 4:27am · Like · 6
    • Max Maetoloa Frank, next time you mas wearem suit and then talk english, tellem ota iu blo Africa. Bae wat na reaction?
      November 11 at 5:27am · Like
    • Cggn Kr Sometimes it's just the opposite,,, & hope this is not one of those anti-Asian/foreigners thread again???
      November 11 at 5:41am via mobile · Like · 1
    • Frank Roboolitee @ TM, thank yu fo dat, bat da point hia is, dat, if umi have to says wat always happen in Solomon Islands is dat, if yu try compit wit china man fo a parcel of Land lo City council or ministry lo lands ba??who nao bae oketa officers servim first lo yu...See More
      November 11 at 6:22am via mobile · Edited · Like
    • Geoff Asipara Rahari Frank Roboolitee. Is the issue you have highlighted only specific to the Chinese or does this apply to other foreign nationals as well? Thanks.
      November 11 at 6:20am · Like
    • Frank Roboolitee @ GAR, definitely des applies to Asians da mos, likwise ada foreigners tu ba...bata da china men are da liding pipol ba...
      November 11 at 6:26am via mobile · Like · 1
    • Fifi Olisukulu Tru na. Ating money na talk fo doim ota work ya as fast as it can be for CHINA man ya than the INDIGENIOUS man wea try best blo hem too.
      November 11 at 6:42am via mobile · Like · 1
    • Frank Roboolitee @ Fifi Olisukulu yu barava hitim taget nao ya, mr. Dollar woman..hahaha..
      November 11 at 6:47am via mobile · Like
    • Fifi Olisukulu @Frank, hahaha yu mahn!.. Dollar nma savve movem work ya... Try askm CHINA man fo any discount thing lo shop blo hem...or ba CHINA man ba writem wan fala tok tok say "PAY AND NO ASK FOR REFUND"...
      November 11 at 6:58am via mobile · Like
    • Frank Roboolitee @ Fifi Olisukulu, kan sampela yu lukim yu tinksei hem blo Solomon islander woman bata hemi china man tru ya cos colour blo body black osem yumi ba,bata full inside heart blo hem ya China woman ya...hahaha, umi no surprise sapos samfala sitem china man..
      November 11 at 7:10am · Like
    • Layla Kere Anti Chinese sentiments is on again-watch this post admin & be fair to all regardless of ones ethnicity-Chinese man/woman? Why painting the same brush on all Chinese?people have bloody names!
      November 11 at 8:08am · Edited · Unlike · 4
    • Warwick Sitana Frank Roboolitee find it amusing how one of your earlier posts queries why as a Christian nation (SI) we complain a lot, now in this post you are doing exactly just that! Nothing personal just an observation, peace out
      November 11 at 8:56am · Unlike · 7
    • Frank Roboolitee @ WS, a tink yu don't get da point, da point is simple, if yu in ani of dat situations at ani Ministries, either lo Lands or comerce, or lo private such as Banks bae China woman bae oketa attendem hem first dan yu ba!! Why is dat china woman attendable rather than yu??? Com on??
      November 11 at 2:52pm via mobile · Edited · Like
    • Jones Justus Otafalu generally, Now a days To be considerd or attended to one's quiries quicker in the public service offices you have to be the wantok of the officer(s), some one has to be have money for commissioning, or he/she was a foreigner, however their are public ...See More
      November 11 at 2:52pm via mobile · Like · 1
    • Frank Roboolitee @ JJO, Yu barava talem clear nao ya, oketa ya nao paramounts, and sampela stap yet ya JJO..hahaha
      November 11 at 2:59pm via mobile · Like
    • Laka Moddie Mi wanfala public officer, who hate to see such practice in da ministries but yes it happens, but not all public officrs doing that. We also serve to our best,
      November 11 at 4:50pm via mobile · Like · 1
    • Frank Roboolitee @ LM, yu rightly talem kam nao ya, But hao it had been witness almostly 3/4 of the public Officers do dis practice ba!.a tink system lo gavamen ya nao osem..or system blo Cowboy, wea if yu osem, den bae mi osem chu ya..hahahaha
      November 11 at 5:36pm via mobile · Edited · Like
    • Mickson Ramo Dollar plays here my bro...dats the difference ....
      November 11 at 6:00pm · Like
    • Jasper Highwood Please Frank Roboolitee can you verify what Ministry and the Nature of your Business...As a Public Servant such Generalization or Stereotype is quite unfair to those who work tirelessly serving this Nation....So can you Please Verify your Statement....!!!
      November 11 at 11:07pm · Like · 3
    • Jocf Cm FR, get the names of officers doing such and their ministries and get it to Ombudsman's office. Make sure you also note the date, the time, and where it happen? Let's work together to fight this out bro..mifala serve inside govt but garem 'zero tolerance' for practices osem too ia
      November 11 at 11:14pm · Like · 2
    • Benjamin Afuga True JH, FR needs to verify his generalizations. ...this is totally unfair for our hardworking public servants. There are many out there faithfully and honestly serving their country.
      November 11 at 11:18pm via mobile · Like · 2
    • Laka Moddie FR ae..there are more than fourteen thousand plus public officers (14'000+). if 3/4 of public officers doing that practice then u mi should nogud tumas na ia,,, because more than 10'500 officers doing that.so plis no generalise tumas...
      November 11 at 11:23pm · Like · 3
    • Ed Saramo FR mentioned ministry of commerce where I work. Can he specify which department?
      November 11 at 11:33pm · Like
    • Laka Moddie FR report them to Leadership Code Commission (LCC) if misconduct, if unfairly treated report them to the Ombudsman...
      November 11 at 11:34pm · Like
    • Frank Roboolitee @ ES, dat Division which dealt with Passports, work Permit,
      November 12 at 12:43pm · Like
    • Frank Roboolitee @ JH,JC& LM, surely dos hard hard working public Officers could highly recommend for da the wonderful job done. Bat da point hia fo those who had been in such practice fo somtaems nao! Fo example lo Ministry blo Lands, hao pipol obtaining a parcel of Land, I don't know da process, Da notice was pin on da wall, no Application fo new parcel of Land! yet bae foreigner take noma ya! an lo most cases 3 pipol paying da same plot, my gudness! Worst moa New Commissioners almost every taem noma nao ba!. An fo Ombudsman office, mi no lukim hem punish ani Public Officer yet, a tink cos kan function blo hem fo investigation noma, "cos atink lo side lo waka lo police, afta investigation, den arrest", Lo same note, mi no lukim ani Public Officer punish by LCC yet, a tink if mi might correct former PM Dany Philip an ada politicians had been fine up to $2000- $5000 samting like dat, bata fo ani Public Officer nao mi no sure! a tink oketa savy lo "GO" tumas.. Den if case report lo LCC, bae timing ya chu nara tink, taem fo lukim oketa issue ya; bae oketa sei oh umi waitim niu chairman moa!, oh mifala stil needim 3member moa befoa Board mit fo dealim issue ya..oh my gudness, if hem osem, "why should i raise dis case?"cos at da end of da dei, hem stay olowei lo manilar folder or Data lo Computer nao ya!. So atink system nao problem? Yupela edem go na....hahahaha
      November 12 at 1:56pm via mobile · Edited · Like
    • Frank Roboolitee @ Jasper Highwood, I think, this is just a tip of the ice burg, surely if yu wanfala Teacher/ Principal, wholehatly bae you saport ya, cos lo MEHRD, lo TSD, if issue blo Teacher lo Wednesday noma dei wea yu savy lukim any officer concern ya, just imagine if yu stay lo province, how long bae yu parasite lo oketa wantoks, anada clasic example lo MOF, inland return..section somting osem; if yu follow up ani issue lo dea same same tu ya man!,ae man/woman fo signim cheque go miting or hem out. man umi wait go go kasem nara wednesday lo nara wiki chu..oima'ae..Hey Yu wait fo next wednesdei moa ya my gele/Boss. And next wednesdei olowei go go.. If yu calcuatem Busfare its about $200- 400, just to see dat man or woman fo addresim issue blo yu ba.."is dis hao dis Division waka??" Com on floks, yu deal wit human beings, "wat about yu in dat same shoes Mr.Jasper bae yu no run lus lo busfares and adas tings moa" atink bae yu no complain though..maybe yu take it as it comes or hao ba?? !.. Surely its an experience, my gudness, I don't know weh dis cowboy and cowgele quit..yupela endem go na.. ...
      November 12 at 4:12pm via mobile · Edited · Like
    • Jasper Highwood Frank Roboolitee noted your views.....!!! Dats wat u shld hav said earlier on....instead of generalizing abt all public servants.....on the same note the bureaucratic process in the public sector is long and slow basically because of the nature of that public sector....am not saying we cannot improve....we can improve...
      November 12 at 10:45pm via mobile · Like · 2
    • Marilyn Serah We are vulnerable to foreigners,happen wayway b4 umi colonised,independence and today. but hem go severe na.they had they way but could we ask ourselves why our fellow countrymen fall easily to serve them at any cost...problem na ia,,maybe salary no enough so fundraising lelebeti.....speed fee ia 4mas na,,,,time we deep and findout the causes,,,,
      November 12 at 11:04pm · Like · 2
    • Marilyn Serah look deep and organisem 1 workshop lo issue ia,,,will give us all the whole picture and understand the situation,,causes and effects,,,,,,,interesting findings,,way to go,,,,,,,,,just a recommendation to find avenues for a change..for better
      November 12 at 11:07pm · Like · 2
    • Ed Saramo This thread should be deleted. The original post does not prove the serious allegations made. It is pure conjecture!
      November 12 at 11:16pm · Like · 2
    • Frank Roboolitee @ admin wat is yur rules da request was sought by our Senior Legal Officer ES to delete this post.. Ani advice??
      November 12 at 11:50pm via mobile · Edited · Like · 1
    • Laega Feralao the author of the thread used "some ministries" so i don't think the thread should be deleted. while accuracy of the thread may be questioned,however, this is a pure fact which some publicans have faced in some ministries. there is a saying that goes, ...See More
      November 13 at 11:49pm · Edited · Like · 2
    • Benjamin Afuga LF, good analysis. FB, hem ok bae letem hem stap. You jas need fo lelebet specific moa lo complain blo you.

      Thank you
      November 13 at 1:26am · Like · 1
    • Iszy Makomoana okay, lets discuss how best to get this especially the procedures. Let's say ministry (A). you apply (whatever) -give your application to front desk staff (processing time (PT) up to a wk) - next level up ( PT up to a wk) ..next another week...Might a month is suffice for an applicant to get any response? I'm generalizing here but any of frendos working out there en-lights on this on your ministry.
      November 13 at 1:56am · Like · 1
    • Geoff Asipara Rahari Frank Roboolitee. This posting is too chaotic and does not specifically identify a purpose (my apology if this sounds harsh) for the following reasons: (1) Firstly, you started off with issues around ministries and their processes on consultation - unl...See More
      November 13 at 7:04am · Like · 6
    • Frank Roboolitee Well, Mr Geoff Asipara Rahari, thank you for your 1,2 and 3,by which you put it clear,on the other Hands, it will still be confusing for others as well,well in such situation like this, several things will happen, well the possible answers here could be,1.Surely GAR you must be a New Fellow in the Solomon Aelans, 2.You must very New to how the Public Service of Solomon Aelans Operates,3.This post might be having some impact at your place,may be and the list goes on,any way to cut things short,its very clear 1.its a norman thing to Ministry refered to early that is MEHRD-especially TSD,MoFT-InLand Revenue Division, Ministry of Lands, Ministry of Commerce- Immigaration and Permit Division and the list goes on,if you try go to those places to follow up on any issue which connects to you will come the same roads,normally attention will on the china woman(foreigners) for instance for the foreigner to get a work permit here in Solomon Aelans,"oima'ae" just over night, but you try her country or the closest Australia for classic eg,I don't think a small yellow envelop could garantee! 2.Its very common & a bitter experinces to witness some Public Officers came in for their duties at 9:00 -10:00,then out for lunch at 12:00-2:00pm,then return at 3:00pm then take off at 4:15pm or earli, worst will the Fridays and Mondays, what does this means to if you needs to see any Officer concern! 3.The china woman(foreigner/s) achieving her goal for instance obtaining a plot of Lands through cowboy dealing is also over night, therefore it raise more questions than answers, mi indigenious woman hao? A tink Bcos China woman Garem million dollars? These are happenings that "an iliterate woman can still never shut up her mouth", even if her literate husband hit her very hard she will by now sought any options at the Avenue available, that somehow her literate husband is a Cowboy, then surely she will just no option but applying cowgele chu..then the wonderful family at the begining will definitely a broken home, yupela endem go na.
      November 13 at 3:42pm via mobile · Edited · Like · 3
    • Aii Bii Generalization is better in such issues, cs nobody want to involve in another suit. The point I guess, status ya hem try for showm out nma na is, hem nogut for ota ministries where owns by the people for deprivim rights blo ota rightful people for usim ota office services ya.. Yufala ota man waka lo office, ufala ota wakaman ya..mifala public na ownam ota office ufala waka lo hm ya.. You are selected not by right over that office but by merits. So time you serve inside, servim mifala man lo solo first tu..1 cent ting ting blo ol man nma..
      November 13 at 3:59pm · Like · 2
    • Laka Moddie Gud frank, so how would you as a solomon islander help da public officers in such situation, to help improve their weakness.. any advice or decision?. Its good to help those weak ones....then we can raise our solomon island public service.
      Yesterday at 6:00am via mobile · Like
    • Wilson Keviri Local Solomon Islander no garem staka selen for play kura, China man garem staka selen for play kura. A good number of Public Servants but laek kura too taem being consulted. It seems so hard when you are genuinely seeking help from our officers, with no intention to give lelebet. But with a china man or businessman, our officers are so excited and greasy with hungry eyes looking at your pockets for money!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Yesterday at 6:41am · Like · 1
    • Frank Roboolitee @ LM, well, there are several ways though, 1.The public Service Commission need to do more training in public relations 2.If the public officer is not doing what he assigned to, he should be sack, and he should be replace with a hard working Man 3.the ...See More
      Yesterday at 7:21am via mobile · Edited · Like · 1
    • Laka Moddie Those olsem if properly deal with, olgeta shud suspend or sack na ia... every solomon islanders like lukim fairness n honesty dealings... everywan no laek lukim kaen ia..... so what na bae duim fo help addressm issues... what na next step from here...
      Yesterday at 7:33am via mobile · Like
    • Frank Roboolitee @ LM, staka wei noma ya, 1. Umi advocate as umi duim kam ya either through media, cost chu nara ting, 2. Write a formal complain to Ministries concern,3. Call fo an open forum and make resolutions den givim lo responsible Ministries and da lis goes on,..
      Yesterday at 7:51am via mobile · Like · 1
    • Geoff Asipara Rahari Frank Roboolitee. Please see your inbox in response to your comment specifically mentioning my name. The point I raised in my last comment is to try and assist you in differentiating the issues you have raised as it appears that there are few issues yo...See More
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    • Frank Roboolitee Thanks brow, we now discovers somethings that surely went wrong anyway , I think we need as much as we can do; to what you raise fo us at the end of your writing as countryman; to fight corruption.. I think now its clear that we can cooperate together and apply some valuable things which we already written down... But its largely on time and comitment...adawise thank you..
      21 hours ago via mobile · Edited · Like · 3
    • Iszy Makomoana @GAR, FR has a point,put this way..u gat $$$$$$$$, either you waet/yellow/brown etc.... simply put...10ha fitim you now long poundary bong honiara. outsde you allow runem up to 20 ha for runnem farming olsem. kaen olsem samafala olsem owne full t taoni iaa nara wei no go well wetem mefala like buyem noa 0.175 ha for house nomoa iaa. cheers,,
      11 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Geoff Asipara Rahari Thanks IM. To clarify again (and I have already done so earlier), I am not disputing the points FR had raised. He has valid points. My point is to differentiate the issues FR had raised as some of the points made are over-generalised. Classic example i...See More
      10 hours ago via mobile · Edited · Like · 1
    • Frank Roboolitee Well since, we now see some of the things that make the public Officers weak,and put in little effort in their works, as highlighted by some you people, therefore, I think at this stage; we need to organise a public forum, an invites those victims who badly affects by how the Public Office operates, likewise look at How some people Anti Foreigners and the list goes on, a tink by doing this open forum, well clearly see the Effects/Causes, and possible way we can improve.. But cost fo hiring the venue to nara ting? Den dis kan umi bae debate samfala issue wea will affect the public officer, definitely lo Solomon culture,surely the conference room of all Ministries highlighted will neva open to ani forum, we need centre place, also a acessible for powerpoint, den we go ahead with the open forum and make resolutions and forward to the Public Service Commission for further deliberations.then I'm pretty sure some changes may arise, otherwise yumi complain, bata noma nao ya floks.. Den the wrongs dominate the rights!! And I don't weh dat will finis.. Dis wan hem tinktink noma ya floks, if yumi savy triem, den we can adaswise yumi neva lukim any improvement as we may assume..
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    • Sione Tuhaika This is absolutely ridiculous. Chinaman is a derogatory name. Our laws are clear. Citizenship qualifies one to be a Solomon Islander, and by law they have the same rights as people who proudly called themselves indigenous. Our country is made up Melane...See More
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    • Layla Kere Well said S.T
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    • Max Maetoloa I think we shouldn't get this term indigenous and citenzenship confused. Citenzenship is given to you by the law whereas indigenous person is an original person, who has his/her origines rooted in this land, cultural, norms, langauge, family tribes etc. I can be a citizen of Australia but Iam original from the Solomons, I consider myself as a Solomon Islander, although i have the Australian passport. That does not change who I am. I have my roots, I teach that to my kids and oneday I want them to go back to see where I'm originally from for example. I think the argument here is for the indigenous right. Money does not give you the right to over power another person in the name of citizenship/ law. We have seen alot of examples in our world today. Indigenous people need to have their voice heard and laws implimented to protect their indigenous rights.
      4 hours ago · Like · 1
    • Sione Tuhaika Mi no confuse long tufala word ya. It is plain and simple. I said we all ended up in Solomon Islands under different circumstances and it is hard to define who exactly is an indigenous SIslander. I prefer to refer to all Solomon Islanders as citizens of SI. Indigenous Solomon Islander is a term used to discriminate against others. To me, it doesn't matter whether your ancestors lived on this land for thousand of years, a hundred years, or a few decades. Using the word "indigenous" as a tool to divide SI is wrong... A multi-cultural country should be united under its national law. Sapos yumi go baik long argument of indigenous, you'll find it hard to define who exactly is an indigenous. Guale, Mala, West, Isabel, Makira, Temotu, Renbel, evriwan garem different roots, different history etc. invading, and conquering each others Islands. So who is an indigenous Solomon Islander? Mala? Guale? This is the same question I asked when SIG created the Ministry of "indigenous" ... yumi olsem Arabs, oketa united againstim Israel but taim oketa stap seleva oketa argue who na real Arab, who is the right Muslim ... haha. hem just wrong because we are a country and a country is define by boundaries and national laws... nothing else! but hey that's my view.
      3 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1
    • Frank Roboolitee Thank you MM fo putting it clear, if yumi confuse witim indigenious and Citizenship, lo opinion blo mi; bae no aniting strit nao ya. Mi no savy why ST start well by defining Our groups Melanesians,Polynesians,Micronesians whites and others, den hem raisim question ya moa;" Who amongst da groups is the indigenious Solomon Islander?" Lo oponion blo mi ansa lo dea finis ya, why ask moa? A tink kan wei blo yumi ya nao no ani ting strit; ani small tink yumi go lo Law fo stritim bata hem garem ansa lo hand blo hem noma ya,yet hem laekim Law fo deliberate lo hem moa. "why not say mi kam fo runim Business noma ya? Yupela ya nao indigenious ba!; "Surely dat kan of Ansa will neva said by som wan who want things to go strit",nomata stap lo visa basis bae hem sei hem lo hia som Centuries, so no wonder why IMF kolim yumi lo honiara Settlers/Occupiers cos in dea roots or History" Honiara is their "Land" bata yumi other provinces/internationals etc, occupaem nao lands blo oketa, atink since yumi start fo confusim yumi tumas nao ya witim Indigenious ma Citizenship, den wholeheartedly hem taem blo Legal man fo interpretate kam nao ya!! Fo class example lo Australia indigenious hem Abrogines nao ba or yumi savy sei "Abo" lo New zelands oketa Maoris and lo Honiara oketa Tribe blo Tandai and others..hahahaha. Oketa man lo Guale lelebet fo savy; yumi should savy dat yumi ya oketa man/woman kam find dollar noma ya, yumi should quite nomoa bata 3mas nao ba..hahaha; mi no minim nao kan ya, very sensitive,Ani Legal man/woman?, taem blo yu nao ia Wantok,"oketa Bush/Kastom Lawyers" umi wait..no gud yumi mekem sam ting ia go worst moa..hahahaha, yupela endem go na!! Oh hao? every wan indigenious go noma!! Or livim everibet indigenious blo other Kantry, yumi lo hia as long as garem visa yu ma hao moa yu qualify tu ya..fo yu!! Staka wrong tinktink tumas floks..
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    • Sione Tuhaika Frank Roboolitee.... definition blong yu, oketa Micronesia (Kiribati) and us but no indigenous too! How can you expect to unify Solomon Islands when you keep bringing this up? Your question was: "So da Question nao is wat nao difference between Indigenous man and China Man?? Any answer!!!" That is a flat out biased question, one that aims at isolating a portion of Solomon Islands' population (Chinese people some whose grandparents and parents were born and raised in SI). With KM's definition of Indigenous, yumi evriwan no indigenous long wea yumi stap. Stop this Chinese bashing mentality! coming from people who don't want to be called by certain names, that's wild!
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    • Aii Bii This takes too long, because everybody talk out of topic.. Issues where thread try for showm out different issue from this one where umi try for stretem ya.. Lets be straight foward..
      11 minutes ago · Like · 1
    • Sione Tuhaika Indigenous vs Chinaman, what was the intention here AB? I see that as an attack on Chinese people. That is an indirect way of saying, we are Solomon Islanders (indigenous) a Chinaman is not a Solomon Islander, well they are Solomon Islanders by Law, born and raised! So hao na replies blong mi hem "out of topic"?
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    • Aii Bii I was just saying, we seem to depart from the original mind of the thread.. seems to me..
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    • Sione Tuhaika Well, that question has so many implications .... it is more than a question. It is an indirect assault on Chinese people which seems to dominate the mindset on this forum. A Chinaman is derogatory term and I hope you people don't encourage this because its not good for the country!
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